Posts by Half banana

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Thank you F&DS @ the Watchtower Corporation! Thank you! Thank you!

by Solzhenitsyn in

this sundays 11/18 wt p.18 pp.3.

/ happy are those who serve "the happy god".

"stressful events-such as when a loved one dies or is disfellowshipped...".

Half banana

Gorby, I think you are right. There must be awake JWs in Bethel just as there are in the KHs.

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am i imagining this?at the kingdom hall we were told many times that noah warned the others about the coming flood and was ridiculed but actually there is no evidence of this in the bible!there is however evidence to the contrary.

matthew 24:37-39.

37 as it was in the days of noah, so it will be at the coming of the son of man.

Half banana

Trouble is that Noah and the flood is just a folk tale. The fact that Jesus believed it just shows that he could not distinguish between stories and facts or more to the point that Jesus was a folk tale as well.

You disagree?-- well where is your evidence for these guys? And don't say the Bible, the Bible is evidence for for folk tales not reality.

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Getting Remarried after a spouses death & then they are resurrected after Armageddon ?

by LOLS in

hi guys .

i was wondering about the above , if a jw is allowed to remarry if a spouse has died, then what happens when they are resurrected at armageddon, do u land up with two wives/husbands ,,,,,,, makes no sense to me & can the jw's be so dumb not to think about this or have i got it wrong ?

and i will not be asking my uber jw husband , don't have the energy.. thanks.

Half banana

I can't see free love on any future JW agenda which would be one way round such problems. But it does good to think about the contradictions when thinking forward to what might happen in fairyland because some may see how foolish it all is.

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More Research on Cult Behaviour.

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

came across this research today, on why cult leaders can induce so much conformity among the cult's membership.

it may be of interest to some here.. abstract: .

"several pieces of literature suggest that most individuals who are successfully integrated into cults do not typically manifest symptoms of mental illness.

Half banana

Good quote JWL, and FTS thanks, you got me to learn about "object relations" and how new cult members regress to their earlier states of determining what is good and bad.

Here is a not so very challenging introduction to cult psychology https://www.onlinepsychologydegree.info/what-to-know-about-the-psychology-of-cults/

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February 2018 Watchtower - Addressing abuse Victims

by Listener in

there's a preview note on one of the articles in this newly released watchtower.

the note can be found on an article titled "part 1 of 4 love and justice in ancient israel".the note states -.

this article is the first in a series of four that will discuss why we can be sure that jehovah cares about us.

Half banana

What can you expect from a cult? Cult imperatives ignore common sense, they ignore reason and they ignore the need for personal development, they ignore human nature except knowing how to prey on the weak and gullible and how to keep them there.

The Watchtower religion from start to finish (and we hope it will finish soon) has had its head in the clouds and its feet off the ground.

JW org is implacably committed to an Iron Age notion of abject obedience to a totemic god as the magic key to success in life. This is a profoundly wrong dictum for the twenty first century because it ignores the individual.

As the Watchtower response to sexual abuse in its ranks has shown, it is never driven by compassion or consideration for its individual members. For those who have suffered abuse there is a crying need for serious psychological help--but could they care?

Only now where its failed behaviour is exposed by the force of modern rational methods of social welfare does the Watchtower claim that all along their creepy god cares for those who are abused. As others have pointed out the Watchtower's saccharine words of comfort are not only too late in coming but they are also insincere.

Bible literature, like cult doctrines everywhere, are about power and maintaining power; children and women were mere possessions according to the Bible, to be treated as such by patriarchal whim. The Bible condoned rape under certain circumstances and abuse by power-- the more compassionate world today no longer tolerates such outrages.

It seems to me that everything about the JW religion is wrong headed, it is out of date, it presents a false front and is run by uncaring, self-interested, ideologically driven charlatans in the name of God. The time has come for the world to get the low down on JW leadership to the end that it should permanently cease its grubby business.

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Who is the mediator for jehovahs witnesses?

by atomant in

lm getting conflicting advice.ls it the 144000 or jesus.l was always under the impression it was jesus.lf its the 144000 then when they pray the jw;s should be praying through the remnant not in jesus christs name but in the 144000;s name..

Half banana

I would think that the average 21st century JW doesn't know what a mediator is and what use it would be to have one.

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1975—Were You Affected By What 1975 Was Supposed to Bring?

by minimus in

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for years , we were told to wait until 1975!.

the end was coming and we better be ready—or else!.

were you around during this “momentous “ time??

Half banana

It was an evening in August 1974, I was making a pine table (which I still use) and listening to the BBC while I worked. Who should be interviewed to defend the world's end in 1975? None other than our local bethelite David Sibrey. Anyone remember him? He talked of the flood as a divine pattern which he justified by childish garbage when his interlocutor questioned the historicity of such an event. I remember shaking my head even though I was a JW. Anyway, Sibrey a representative of official Watchtower thinking, was publicly a 'seventy fiver'.

At our circuit assembly later on in the same year, circuit overseer Albert Broad declared from the podium that if Armageddon does not happen by 1975 "Then Jehovah's Witnesses will be the laughing stock of the world".

They are--but they are non-entities, who cares about Jehovah's Witnesses?

It was the feeble 'apology' -- "Well we've still got our friends haven't we?"-- for the 1975 debacle in the 1979 Watchtower which accelerated my scepticism. Like a fool I still remained in the org for another ten years until defending the JW world view became intolerable.

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Who is the mediator for jehovahs witnesses?

by atomant in

lm getting conflicting advice.ls it the 144000 or jesus.l was always under the impression it was jesus.lf its the 144000 then when they pray the jw;s should be praying through the remnant not in jesus christs name but in the 144000;s name..

Half banana

Biblical theology is a tar-pit, the ground looks level and there is food sitting there for the taking.

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Great tribulation

by dothemath in

you've likely heard all this before, but i had to laugh (silently) at the public talk today.. he focused on how close we are to the end.

we're not only in the last days, but we're in "the final part" of the last days.. also, we are nearing "the end of the final part of the last days".

he didn't read any scriptures backing up how the last days are broken up like this.. i went today since relatives es were visiting, but it was more entertaining than usual.. as well, the gb isn't warning us about armageddon, rather they're mainly warning about the great tribulation, which is "very, very, close!

Half banana

If I genuinely believed in an imminent cataclysmic event where the majority of mankind will be murdered, even as a witness I would be living on my nerves, in fear of dying. I don't see this in JWs, they only parrot the party line with a smug smile, "It's very very close". Methinks they don't really believe it, just the principle of it; we're right and everyone else is wrong so God must favour us.

It must be very debilitating to suffer from a delusional disorder. The world pities and sometimes mocks the sufferer.

There is however something worse-- to have eight million people, orchestrated through propaganda and mind control, to suffer from the same delusion. The only reason JW paranoia has the slightest credibility is because of the number of witnesses already believing it.

For JWs it's an irrational way of life based on Biblical hype and the promise of winning the jackpot but in reality with no prospect of any reward and a complete waste of one's life.

The real beneficiaries from keeping the delusion going are those who run the scam, the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses.

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Who is the mediator for jehovahs witnesses?

by atomant in

lm getting conflicting advice.ls it the 144000 or jesus.l was always under the impression it was jesus.lf its the 144000 then when they pray the jw;s should be praying through the remnant not in jesus christs name but in the 144000;s name..

Half banana

No serious researcher today uses the Bible as an authority.

The very reliance on the Iron Age writings incorporated into the Bible indicates an attitude of unquestioning submission. Here is where the fundamental fault lies in giving proper meaning to ancient texts. They were written by the powerful to control the dumb at a time when written language was itself an evidence of authority. Those who believe the Bible are the dumb and fearful who listen in awe to the religious mediators of the day.

Who needs a mediator? No one unless you're trying to settle a dispute.

"Spirit anointed Christian"? A modern post-Watchtower fiction!

The premise that man is sinful is a catchy religious fallacy which has allowed the priests, clergy and cult leaders to flourish financially and therefore wield power like they did in the first century and continue doing so today. There is no such thing as the "144,000 anointed" it is a myth courtesy of the Watchtower cult.

For our own sanity and progress in the world, we must ignore JW teachings and their irrelevant demands and get a proper life based on things which have evidence for their existence not this worthless Watchtower hocus pocus.